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Moon conjunct Saturn

The Saturn-Moon combination is not a particularly harmonious one; and in these contacts the individual lunar nature is often detrimentally affected.

You can display a somber, self-restrained, conservative personality. Your social relationships can lack spontaneity, enthusiasm, and naturalness, inhibited by emotional defensiveness, reserve, and caution. Relaxed communication and self-expression can be difficult. Apprehension may restrict social contact, perhaps with an attitude of distrust and pessimism toward life and people. If this limiting and negative worldview exists, then you will also block the release of potential and diminish life enjoyment.

Self-esteem is weakened by such attitudes, which fall like a shadow across your relationships and experiences. One source of this may have been childhood and early social conditioning. Perhaps early childhood was influenced by family discipline, either through authoritarian controls, or through imposed religious, political, or social beliefs. Perhaps there were family upheavals and unsettling discord, or strong feelings that you were not really wanted or loved by your parents, whether or not this was actually true. This may have resulted in a fear of emotional expression, to others and even to yourself. This, coupled with a need to protect your sensitivity, has associated emotions with painful 'negative experiences'. In adult life, there may be one parent toward whom you still feel resentment, deeply contradictory attitudes, and powerful emotions.

Emotional integration can be lacking; it is part of your nature that remains uncomfortable and relatively immature, and which will interfere with adult relationships that may prove difficult to develop beyond the early stages. A lack of self-confidence, and reluctance to reveal your vulnerable feelings to others, make you withdraw into negative behavior patterns whenever the possibility of a close relationship occurs. You need to open to intimacy, and face possible rejection in the hope of moving toward potential success; you need to learn how to trust others. Then you can break free from your self-imposed prison. Obviously, making suitable relationship choices is a key requirement; and cautious discernment is necessary in choosing friends and intimates.

Learning how to dissolve past influences is necessary. You may feel emotionally attached to memories and material possessions, perhaps nostalgic or sentimental, even though childhood may not have been especially satisfying. Liberation from the past's chains will bring relief and release; it may not be easy, yet could provide the keys to a bright new future. You may be surprised at how much past experience and conditioning have shaped your adult personality; looking for ways to heal and integrate your inner child would be extremely beneficial and transformative.

Achieving this step could help improve the quality of your relationships. Potential exists for you to enjoy mature contacts with other essentially serious and thoughtful partners, where the relationship has maturity and depth, with a gradual emotional release as mutual sharing increases across every level - physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual. If this happens, you will experience the dawn of a more positive, optimistic outlook, as you release the burden of the past by redirecting emotional energy into new constructive life-style patterns. Others may encourage your progress; and, if they do so, accept their support. You just need others' encouragement to convince you of your own worth.

Despite any inner stress and unresolved emotional difficulties, you are likely to progress in your career through focusing attention in specific directions, especially in early adulthood, when your emotions remained controlled and probably repressed. You tend to isolate emotions into a 'separate compartment', although sensitivity to others would ideally be needed in management positions. Normally, you will be honest, impersonal, fair, competent, and efficient, enjoying roles of responsible authority, and you will expect comparable standards of commitment from others. Areas which may attract include law, medicine, business, politics, and education.

Moon conjunct Saturn: The conjunction between the Moon and Saturn shows that you are emotionally defensive, cautious, reserved, and extremely apprehensive about your experiences. Perhaps during your childhood your parents or guardians disciplined you so much that you assumed they did not love you. Because of your extreme sensitivity, you tend to overemphasize negative effects anyway. Almost certainly you did have traumatic experiences with your parents during the early conditioning years, and there is still a residual negative effect, probably caused by the parent who had the most authority in the home. Your early conditioning did not prepare you to deal successfully with the circumstances of everyday living, and you have learned to expect the worst.

Perhaps the guilt projected onto you during the formative years is the cause of the difficulty you sometimes have in forming close, emotional ties in your adult years. It often happens that you are unsuccessful in developing a partnership. Even so, you must deliberately stop thinking that happiness will always elude you. You must recognize your self-worth in order to project yourself optimistically toward others.

You are very likely to succeed professionally because you focus your efforts in worldly areas where your feelings don't have to function. Because you protect yourself by insulating your emotions, you could achieve success in business. In your professional dealings you are basically honest (sometimes painfully so), and you demand the same honesty from others. Management is your particular strong point, and you should rise to prominence in that area. Women will find you stern but will respect you for your fairness. You demand competence from those under you, and you demonstrate it by your own efficiency. If you have a position of authority you will not hesitate to fire someone who doesn't measure up to your expectations; you regard each person under you as an extension of yourself.

You could work well as an employee of professional people such as judges, lawyers, doctors, industrialists, educators, or politicians. You would gain the trust that is necessary in order to function effectively, and you would also serve their interests capably. It is also possible that you could undertake such a profession yourself. Your emotional detachment would allow you to provide unbiased opinions, which would serve the interests of your clients.

Emotional fulfillment will come about through contact with mature and serious individuals. A permanent relationship is possible only if your partner regards you as a mate in all areas - socially, spiritually, and professionally. It is essential for you to share your life with another, but that sharing must be total. Most important, you must always respect each other.

In the area of health, you may have problems involving your back, which may restrict you on occasion. The reproductive system could also cause you difficulty at some time in your life. Above all, try to look at the brighter side of life. Certain negative experiences may seem dismal at the time, but the lessons learned from them should enable you to become more optimistic as you grow.

Moon conjunct Saturn: Whenever unconscious emotional reactions occur (Moon), people with this aspect experience sensitivity and vulnerability and find it hard to express themselves. Emotional reserve is common with this aspect.

The sense of security is bound up with Saturn, and so these people are inclined to shoulder too much responsibility, work hard and deny themselves many small pleasures. They seek safety in perfectionism and the world regards them as very trustworthy and diligent; yet inwardly they are unsure and easily hurt, and, to tell the truth, are more or less running away from themselves.

They are inclined to restrict themselves to what they see and know. Therefore, when opportunities present themselves, these individuals either let them slip through their fingers or study all the ins and outs before committing themselves. This goes along with rigid ideas and a certain blinkering of the mental vision. Flexibility is slight, owing mainly to a great vulnerability of which others are ignorant. They anxiously hide this vulnerability behind a mask of hard work or, if the chart is passive, behind a mask of gloom and inertia that is hard to penetrate.

Often they feel that they are living under constant pressure and dare not do anything spontaneous. Before showing feelings, they need to make very sure of the other person, and that can take a long time. The cold aloofness of this aspect is a form of self-protection. Nevertheless Saturn gives almost unbreakable faithfulness and dependability once someone has won this person over; then it would be impossible to think of a more stable relationship. Before that point is reached, however, a host of inhibitions, fears, suspicions and sensitive feelings is waiting to be vanquished.

Moon conjunct Saturn: This aspect is difficult to work through, for it symbolizes a childhood that was less than ideal. The energy manifests in early childhood illness or emotional deprivation or both. The mother of the native is suppressed and restricted by the father in some way. This child is suppressed and restricted by the father as well. The mother's emotions are thwarted; she may not be able to have friends; her 'causes' are put down; her life-style may be completely hampered by marriage responsibilities. The mother may feel depressed and emotionally unfulfilled, and the child absorbs her attitudes and responses. Because the mother is unhappy, the child assumes that this reaction is 'normal'. Sometimes this aspect occurs in marriages where the mother is a brood mare - raising babies and taking care of a family. There may be no relationship between the parents other than the father being the provider and expecting to be fed at six o'clock sharp. The mother may resent it, but she may not be strong enough to change her situation. Her reasons may be myriad - she may have too many children, she may not have skills, or, like the heroine in 'Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde', she may be psychologically overwhelmed by the power of the Mr. Hyde personality. Each time the mother reaches out emotionally, responding to someone or something spontaneously, the father 'dumps' on her.

The child picks up the emotional deprivation and brings the following characteristics into his adult life: a tendency toward melancholia, quick mood changes that are psychologically or unconsciously based, and a basically unhealthy attitude regarding relationships. If this child is female, she will enter into romantic relationships assuming that she cannot share her thoughts and feelings with her loved one; she doesn't expect men to be nice or considerate or understanding, so she will tend to share her innermost feelings with her friends rather than with her lover or husband. In the chart of a male, the ability to respond emotionally is restricted, for the father restricted this male's emotional development. This aspect also affects his relationships with women, and he may feel that no woman will ever care for him. He forces himself (often subconsciously) to barricade his emotional self, sometimes expressing himself harshly. If his father was physically or emotionally abusive to women, he may be too. He may be drawn to women who cannot give anything emotionally. In the case of the female, if her father was physically or emotionally abusive, she will expect the same kind of treatment from the men she chooses and will stay in unwholesome situations far longer than someone who doesn't have this aspect.

The aspect seems to place restrictions on the body in some way. Saturn symbolizes restriction, and the Moon represents the physical body. Children with this aspect sometimes have skeletal deficiencies or are prone to chronic ailments. The adult with this aspect has a harder time shaking colds or chronic maladies. These people should contemplate preventive medicine, for they can ward off illness by keeping healthy.

Moon conjunct Saturn: This powerful position is on the whole good, from a Saturnian point of view. The native is extremely hard-working, and is often a self-denying Spartan. The temperament is hard, self-seeking, and critical, with few good words for anyone, though such praise as they may not grudge is usually well bestowed and their criticism is not so much actuated by envy or a carping spirit as it is the outcome of an almost inordinate craving for perfection. In good types, there is a high grade of intellect, but of a practical kind, with a distaste for abstractions. In lower types it tends to discontent, and sometimes to a narrowness that verges towards stupidity, yet it is questionable if the native is ever stupid in that which interests him, and he is rarely frivolous or silly. There is a rather rigid self-confidence, the native usually feeling thoroughly competent in his own work, and instinctively feeling no interest in anything else, lest his insufficiency in other domains might be apparent. As regards occupations and pursuits, the conjunction has much the same effect as the harmonious aspects.

Moon conjunct Saturn: George Clooney 2, Milton William Cooper 2, Bob Dylan 2, Swami Vivekananda 2, Clark 2, Cesar 4, Kay 4, Pete 4, Jason 5, Patrice 5, Lorraine 6, Paulo 6, Osho 7, Elvis Presley 7, Jon Voight 7, Mark Zuckerberg 7, George Bush, Sr. 8


Moon sextile Saturn

With the sextile, this planetary relationship is easier to manage than with the conjunction. While an emotionally restricted expression remains likely, it is less limiting, since your rational mind serves to dissipate inner darkness. You should be aware, however, that resolving emotional conflicts is necessary; and for you to do this, your emotional complexity needs understanding.

While you recognize that you do not have all the answers, you realize striving to understand helps to build bridges - whether within yourself or to others - and so you value the act of listening and are ready to talk about problems with friends or partners for mutual sup0port and benefit. To you, 'a problem shared is a problem halved'; and you know that taking a realistic approach to emotional problems increases the chances that eventually a constructive solution will emerge. Part of this process is self-therapy, because you remain serious, reserved, and cautious, still uneasy with displaying feelings for others, unless they are old, trusted friends and family. Yet others turn toward you for support, not necessarily because they believe you have the answers, but because they recognize that you will honor and acknowledge their pain and confusion. In that mutual recognition a form of supportive healing and acceptance can be transmitted.

You apply an intelligent approach to life, founded on common sense and personal integrity. You will demonstrate efficiency, practicality, pragmatism, and order in whatever tasks you undertake, and will be relied on to perform in an organized manner in accordance with standard procedures. You work well within traditional workplaces where established operational structures exist and conformity to them is expected; this satisfies the Saturn expectations. Attractions to law, medicine, politics, management, local government, and education are likely. There may be financial skills which can be exploited, especially through business endeavors.

You have an aura of respectability and realism. You are not an ineffective dreamer, but a reliable member of society with high behavior standards. Personal integrity is a quality that you will not compromise, even if this means losing opportunities. If everything seems above board, however, you are usually alert to take advantage of an opportunity. Two of your assets are persistence and determination; and you use these in whatever tasks you are set. You are ambitious, although not obsessively so, and will probably make steady progress.

Self-development, study, and learning attracts, as you enjoy increasing knowledge and understanding.

Although you may limit this to specific interest areas, you can acquire specialist knowledge if you so choose. This could be shared with others through some form of teaching, with your knowledge effectively communicated.

You prefer similar personality types in friends and partners - those who are intelligent, serious-minded, and culturally thoughtful.

Close friendships and trust are important; and you favor a small, select group of confidantes linked also by emotional connections, mutual care, and concern. For a permanent partner, you want someone capable of relating deeply on every level - physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual. Your ideal relationship encourages mutual development, as both partners help each other; this becomes a creative interdependence.

You must not deny feelings, instincts, and emotions, especially when mental preoccupation is more emphasized and active. Feelings are important; and, while remaining vulnerable to their reactions, you would be unwise to ignore their messages. Liberating feelings and listening to signals from instincts should also be encouraged; discover how you can express these feelings and instincts within secure, intimate relationships, and learn to trust their guidance.

Moon sextile Saturn: Your Moon sextile Saturn shows that you are serious, reserve, and cautious in your feelings toward others. As a result of early conditioning, you always try to understand the people who mean something to you. Perhaps you were expected to listen and help your brothers and sisters when they brought their problems to you. Now you are always ready to discuss any problem that develops between you and another person. You realize that emotions must be understood before any conflict can be resolved. This realistic approach to emotional difficulties can generally produce a constructive effect.

Your native intelligence, integrity, and common sense should enable you to achieve success in your occupation. Fields such as law, medicine, industrial management, politics, education, or public relations are especially fitting for your talents. You are patient and practical in coping with everyday problems because you are well aware that you achieve the best results that way. You are orderly in your thinking and don't allow yourself to indulge in fanciful, emotional daydreams. You are modestly ambitious and willing to learn as you progress in whatever you choose. However, you would not sacrifice integrity for the sake of ambition.

What you lack in enthusiasm, you make up for in determination. You communicate well, and teaching could be a useful means of expression for you. You are self-disciplined and impatient with 'dawdlers' who waste your time and theirs. Students would certainly learn from you, because you project your knowledge with clarity and authority.

You enjoy the company of selected friends in whom you can confide and whom you trust. Very probably you will find comfort and emotional satisfaction among persons who are similarly dedicated to truth. Your mate will have to be serious and thoughtful. Even if your partner has not achieved success, you will accept someone who has established plans for achieving goals and whose intentions are sincere. You will want to help your mate become successful and would not feel left out if professional demands required his or her absence from you. By itself, a sexual relationship is totally inadequate for you. You respond to persons with substantial resources of mind and spirit and stable emotions.

In your free time, you often read or study, recognizing that growth is possible only if one continues to expand in knowledge. You always want to be prepared to take advantage of an opportunity that could prove beneficial in the long run.

Moon sextile Saturn: Any contact from Saturn to the Moon brings slowness, apprehension and seriousness to the emotional self. The father of this native was not a debilitating influence on the mother and did not restrict her ability to nurture the native, but he did take life quite seriously. People with this aspect can use it to establish steady feelings; once an emotional commitment has been made, it will be taken seriously. They are responsible people. The aspect's energy can be used in careers that need a steady hand and a level head.

Moon trine or sextile Saturn: Even harmonious aspects between the Moon and Saturn give a feeling of vulnerability, and are associated with soberness, industry and the acceptance of responsibility. Again, expressing emotions does not come easy and these people like to put on a front of self-discipline, etiquette and respectability. They are admired for an ability to remain calm and collected in all circumstances, yet inside are full of doubts and fears.

Harmonious Moon/ Saturn aspects usually indicate a serious outlook and a practical approach to things. This, combined with the determination to finish everything they start (due to a highly developed sense of responsibility), can take them far in society. But emotionally they have problems; children with these (and other) Moon/ Saturn aspects are never really young and playful. They frequently form friendships with older boys and girls.

People with harmonious Moon/ Saturn aspects can often be very constructive within an existing framework. The Moon and Saturn are always the two main form-givers: the Moon of formed content and Saturn of the structure and backbone of external form. When something has to be enlarged, structurally improved and preserved, those with harmonious Moon / Saturn aspects are in their element. They are not required to display initiative, which we would have to look for in other chart factors anyway.

Moon trine or sextile Saturn: These aspects are frequently of a basic character, influencing the fundamentals of the native's temperament. Provided that the chart as a whole is of a good type, the nature is deepened and rendered capable of serious and responsible work, with excellent powers of organizing and controlling and a marked degree of personal dignity - that may sometimes destroy the sense of humor when the native's self-respect appears to be in jeopardy. There is often a large amount of matter-of-factness and a practical and limited outlook on life. Duty plays a large part in the motives, and obligations are performed carefully and exactly. The contact is scarcely democratic in its influence, and there is an inclination to like people in their proper places. Similarly, the mental and emotional aspects of the life are organized and arranged. The emotions are usually steady, with some tendency to depression.

There is usually affection and well-merited respect for the mother, but unless both bodies are well-placed she is liable to die early or suffer misfortunes. It seems to lessen the number of children and sometimes cause them to be a heavy responsibility.

It is favorable for business life and for practical work that calls for care and prudence rather than energy or originality - which is often defective. It is good for work in connection with houses or land, and any sort of caretaking or management where conscientious work is called for, but it is not so good where affection is required, as in care for the young.

It is distinctly good for worldly success, or, perhaps one should rather say, for the retention and proper use of success, if the rest of the chart permits of its attainment. Sometimes rank and position result from family connections or are inherited - there is often a sort of relation between family and position, or the native assumes a place as a successor to someone else, but does not create it. For example, a professor who occupies a seat that has been vacated by his predecessor, a minister of state, the president of a society, or the editor of an established paper. Thus the position is usually one of a successive line, and the native inherits some kind of tradition. If the chart is strong, the native develops and improves his office and maintains the tradition with success and dignity, but even when the two bodies are technically in good aspect, other flaws in the horoscope may lead to downfall and the characteristics of the inharmonious contacts.

Generally this combination preserves the health by influencing the native to be prudent and regular in habits, and it is particularly good in old age. But it does not confer robust health.

Moon trine or sextile Saturn Woman: Women with Moon / Saturn aspects have difficulty in expressing femininity, even when the aspect is harmonious. This can increase emotional insecurity and / or make them behave in a forceful, mannish way, or else in a motherly, organizing way. They find emotional fulfillment by being in charge; although, even with a harmonious aspect, loved ones are kept at arm's length to some extent.

Moon trine or sextile Saturn Man: Men with one of these aspects tend to be attracted by women of the Saturnine type; that is to say, they prefer partners who are rather older and more mature - certainly not women who are sprightly and playful.

Moon sextile Saturn: Georges Gurdjieff 2, Olof 2, Jyothi 3, Phylissa 3, Virginia 3, Collon 4, JBLight 4, Michelle 4


Moon square Saturn

Limitations and restrictions may occur on opportunities and experiences, often created by unresolved emotional patterns. The source of these may be sentimental attachments to the past, to memories, to experiences, and to earlier relationships. You find it difficult to break free from the past; and previous experiences will influence present choices and attitudes.

You may have grown up with a negative self-image, one which lessens self-confidence and also shapes restrictive worldviews. This may come from unsettling and disturbing childhood experiences. Perhaps you put up protective barriers to defend vulnerable feelings from damage; you may have believed you were not loved by your parents, or you were left with just one parent through separation, divorce, or death. Issues of emotional dependency may gave grown, and a mother- or father-complex formed, making it difficult to cut the parental umbilical cord when you became an adult. Taking time and investigating any childhood roots of your inhibitions may shed considerable light on your adult psyche.

You tend toward pessimistic attitudes, linked to a reduced physical vitality, emotional moodiness, melancholic dissatisfaction, and depression. Lacking self-confidence and perhaps seeing the world as a harsh, loveless place, you may feel bitter and cynical, preferring isolation from relationship intimacy. A 'barrier' may be felt between you and others, making contact and communication difficult to achieve.

Family ties bind you. This could suggest that you are older than most when you leave home to become independent; or you could have the onerous duty of caring for an elderly parent. Your family life may turn into an imprisoning environment in some way, perhaps through children, economic hardship, or social isolation. You are very sensitive to the complexities of family relationships, and, despite your emotional difficulties, will hate to cause anyone else emotional distress. Yet these ties limit your life, and will continue to tighten until you take responsibility to create a more satisfying life.

You may feel uneasy with intimacy, and try to avoid involvement, afraid of not coping, or imagining that your 'inadequacies' would be exposed; feeling unloved, how could anyone feel love for you? Such an attitude turns into a vicious, self-defeating circle; and you may become socially awkward and excessively shy. Dissolving such inner barriers and protective emotional mechanisms is essential, both to liberate yourself from negative conditioning patterns and to free repressed emotional energies to revitalize a hidden emotional wasteland that you have created.

You maintain tensions and frustrations by refusing to release behavior patterns formed during childhood and within your parental relationship. it is your choice, if you wish, to continue limiting your life, but it is not inevitable; limitations are only imaginary parameters which we draw around ourselves as a barrier; they can be erased or expanded. Your creativity is blocked by emotional repression. If you dissolve the barrier and redirect the energies toward positive and constructive channels, then much could be achieved. Finding additional interests and stimulation would be beneficial, showing that the world has much to offer if you open to its riches. Becoming involved with children could reveal new ways to see things; their enthusiasms and sense of wonder could be transmitted to you. With contemporary self-help techniques, visualization, meditation, affirmation, and the availability of numerous ways to release blocked energies, you can transform your life to face the future with positivity and optimism. Once freed from past restrictions, you can uncover your latent potential.

Moon square Saturn: The square between your Moon and Saturn indicates that you find it difficult to let go of the past and anyone associated with it. Because of your early conditioning, you are overwhelmed with guilt when you express disloyalty toward someone you have known for a long time. Family matters are therefore very important to you, and you forget few birthdays or other commemorative events. These tendencies show that you are emotionally trapped; it is difficult for you to establish your independence outside the confining circumstances of the home and family.

Your parents were especially responsible for your feeling of dependence and your inability to stand alone. Unfortunately, parents sometimes don't realize how damaging it is for their children to be dependent on them. Your creative expression will be deeply limited by your emotional restrictions.

The most likely fields of work for you are those that serve the needs of the elderly. Such fields as nursing, physical therapy, housing, geriatrics, food, and public assistance programs are some possible avenues of expression. These areas of endeavor emphasize domestic circumstances or identification with individuals who bring to mind your parents. You could perform excellent work and be amply rewarded for your efforts, and at the same time know that you are filling an important need.

Your own romantic satisfaction may not occur until you have fully realized how meager is the scope of your own life. Only when you become aware that time is passing, and that fewer partners are available to you, will you scramble to find a mate.

Try to become interested in some vocational activity. Your normal inclination to melancholy and depression will be reduced as you become involved in creative functions. Children could also be a source of great joy to you and relieve the lonely hours by their frivolity and endless curiosity. You might join an organization that helps youngsters who need a big brother or sister or someone who can substitute for their parents.

Eat wholesome food and avoid eating on the run in the fast food service places that today's hasty social structure offers. Try not to eat cold food, and, if you can, make it a point to eat with others.

Moon square or opposite Saturn: Tense aspects draw attention more strongly to vulnerable aspects of a personality. When people have the hard aspects, each time they look for comfort and safety (Moon), they are inevitably confronted with their weaknesses, fears, and uncertainties (Saturn). Emotional inhibitions and difficulties with emotional expression are quite common under these aspects. These people struggle with a sense of loneliness and often with an inferiority complex as well.

Anxiety and possibly mistrust will affect behavior. They take a rather gloomy view of everything, preferring to expect the worst because then the unexpected will always be an improvement; and, in fact, are particularly prone to do so where the emotional world (Moon) and the need for security are concerned.

Moon square or opposite Saturn: Self-control is considerable with these aspects, also the capacity for hard work, self-discipline and level-headedness. People with conflicts between the Moon and Saturn can be very creative in fashioning things. Their inferiority feelings, and their fears that what they make will never be perfect, are likely to haunt them to some extent; but they can produce first-class work once they set their minds to it. Although these are active aspects (which the tense aspects always are),

Saturn can be so inhibitive that either the natives' activities are paralyzed at the very beginning or they avoid spreading their interests. Given their sensitivity, they cannot afford to risk making too many mistakes. Shyness is common in these aspects, while the persistent search for some ideal form in which to express themselves makes them initially impractical and inefficient: owing to uncertainty they try their hand at all sorts of things when they are young, being unable to settle down anywhere. Dread of the unknown can keep them static and clinging to pet ideas; therefore they strike others as hard and unbending.

However, once these people have made the effort to break out of their hard shells they will be all the tougher for the experience, well equipped to patiently withstand the adversities life may bring, and they will work successfully under the most trying circumstances. For durability and staying power are Saturn's good side, which falls within their reach once we have come to terms with it.

Moon square or opposite Saturn: The inner side of these contacts is usually inefficiency, the native being a bad leader and organizer, without set purpose or policy, often not intelligent and confused in his methods, giving himself and others unnecessary trouble. He is careless and imprudent, weak and obstinate, cunning and silly; astute in details, but blind in main issues. Sometimes it causes laziness; sometimes energy without persistence. Depression and discontent are common. Shyness is common also.

With depression there is often a lack of real self-reliance, and the native may be a prey to fear and foreboding, and a feeling of general inadequacy in respect of his obligations and duties. He is apt sometimes to rely on the material supports of life rather than on character.

The entire feminine side of the nature is limited by this contact, and unless other aspects come to the assistance of the Moon, much unhappiness and emotional inhibition may occur. Even the good aspects of the Moon and Saturn sometimes tend to dourness and rigidity, and a dislike of, or inability to partake in, pleasures, particularly if Venus be weak.

On the circumstantial side, which will be the more evident in many cases, there is a dislike of hardship, particularly in early and in late life. The native may easily be misunderstood, and have to endure harshness, severity, and lack of emotional satisfaction.

The relations with the mother are rarely happy; she may be unfortunate, or may die young, be unhealthy, or be a burden to the native; or she may be dominating and stern in her attitude. The home is seldom imbued with a genial atmosphere such as a child needs.

In marriage these aspects tend to unions between persons of diverse ages; sometimes there are social differences and the parents either prevent marriage or urge unsatisfactory alliances based on Saturnian considerations of duty, advantage, and so forth. There are rarely many children.

A correspondent writes from personal experience: 'The main effect is frustration, or victory without pleasure, or unrewarded efforts, probably to teach the native selfless application to duty. The good side of this aspect seems to lie in helping to build inner strength, an ability to sense adversity before it comes, and patience to endure it when it arrives.'

The native may come into contact with violence and ill-health. The opposition seems very potent in this respect. Sometimes there is unpopularity, especially with women and with the masses; sometimes there is a rather senseless popularity that does not last.

Moon square or opposite Saturn Woman: For women, these are difficult aspects. Their femininity is not easy for them to handle. Even though many can create the impression of being superwomen, they lack inner composure. Another mode of expression is very mannish behavior. Saturn's hard aspects can lead to extremes.

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Moon trine Saturn

Potentially, these two disparate planetary energies can be reconciled; and you will probably feel a more positive and optimistic attitude than is common with the other Moon-Saturn aspects.

Your personality is relatively stable; and, in developing a suitable life-style, you will demonstrate resourceful and practical skills. You are reliable, and persevere to fulfill your duties and responsibilities, whether domestic or family, or through career, social, and civic involvements.

Your outlook may be cautious and conservative, respecting social rules and traditions, preferring to live by self-conformity to 'civilized behavior'. You may view social experimentation and radical ideas to change cultural establishments with unease and suspicious concern, preferring the familiar and trusted ways. However, you also do recognize the renewing virtue of change, and will support change if you believe it will be beneficial; yet change for change's sake you will view with distaste.

Establishing firm life foundations is seen as important. This motivation may have come from valuing childhood stability and permanence, where you felt safe within a secure home and enjoyed the comforting presence of parents. You realize that 'successful building' depends on right foundations. Following this 'pattern' will increase the likelihood of success in any endeavors, whether in business, career, marriage, or family life. You may benefit from inheritance, perhaps in business or through some type of institutional involvement.

You apply shrewd, pragmatic common sense to your affairs, preferring either self-employment or positions of authority and responsibility, where opportunities to express potential are more available. You have creative abilities, although these may be directed along traditional channels, into business or career. The spheres of law, medicine, engineering, politics, management, and education may especially attract. You tend to be a good worker, believing that to gain benefits you need to wholeheartedly commit your efforts to tasks.

You are rarely emotionally effusive; and you may seem austere and privately withdrawn. You prefer to remain in control and be reasonably stable; and yet feelings can be displayed honestly and in a straightforward manner, ensuring that others know what you think and feel about things. Emotional manipulation and distorted relationships are anathema to you; and you dislike anyone acting in such a way.

Friendships are founded on mutual compatibility, trust, and faith in genuine care and support for each other, although each has to be an independent personality and secure in his or her self-esteem; you are not interested in dependent personalities whose emotional vacillations and confusion may agitate the emotional unease that can be hidden within you.

You are cautious in making emotional decisions, taking time to evaluate your feelings and instincts, knowing that they offer valid messages, and yet also recognizing that you may not listen to them enough. Once certain, you commit yourself, especially in a marriage or partnership context; and you will expect similar clarity and commitment from your partner. Maturity and emotional stability are necessary in a partner, and you dislike emotional changeability; if you find the right partner, much of your creativity will flow into the relationship, so that it develops and progresses for mutual benefit.

Moon trine Saturn: Although the Moon trine Saturn makes you conservative and cautious, you are nevertheless very creative and for the most part optimistic. Your parents have given you a solid background in training so that you possess a reasonable degree of common sense. You maintain a respect for tradition, but also appreciate the value of change when it seems productive. You are emotionally stable and resourceful and realize that to benefit from something you must make an investment in personal effort. You don't expect to get anything without making a contribution for it. Your friends always know how you feel about them, and you never knowingly violate their trust.

Engineering, industrial management, politics, education, law, and public relations are some of the professions you could follow with reasonable assurance of success. These fields would give you many opportunities to demonstrate how useful you can be even under very demanding circumstances and responsibility. Your retentive memory is a great help at such times. You appreciate any job in which you can exploit your considerable potentials, but you may lean toward accepting a position of leadership, for which you are suited. In fact, the chances are good that you will gain a position of authority in any field you select.

Though your circle of friends may not be wide, you enjoy the lasting friendship of those friends you have. The mutual trust and understanding between you constantly enriches your life and theirs. You respect only those who have self-respect, and you look for the same quality in a prospective marriage partner. You do not make any decisions without a careful investigation, especially where your feelings are concerned. Always one to observe the rules, you are unlikely to consent to a permissive relationship without some binding agreement. But you would agree to a marriage contract only if your partner realized the full implication of such an agreement. Because you bring so much creative effort into a relationship, its success is practically assured. Your mate must also uphold the contract you've made together and be willing to work to sustain your mutual interests above everyone else's.

As a parent, you would be a disciplinarian, but merciful and loving. You would encourage and strengthen the individuality of your children, as long as it is positively directed.

Moon trine Saturn: People born with this aspect will not be as frivolous as those born without it. However, they are not as depressive as those born with the Moon-Saturn affliction. This child arrives in an atmosphere where the father works co-operatively with the mother and vice versa; the parents present a united front, even if it is a rather somber one. The child learns to work through emotional problems; he offers himself carefully in a relationship, for emotions are not treated lightly. The chance of starting a relationship that works through all the possibilities, that leaves no stone unturned, that explores all its potential, comes out of this aspect.

As far as career is concerned, this aspect makes for a careful thinker, someone who is reasonable in crisis situations, a person who doesn't fly off the handle in spontaneous reactions. This is a diplomatic personality.

Moon trine or sextile Saturn: Even harmonious aspects between the Moon and Saturn give a feeling of vulnerability, and are associated with soberness, industry and the acceptance of responsibility. Again, expressing emotions does not come easy and these people like to put on a front of self-discipline, etiquette and respectability. They are admired for an ability to remain calm and collected in all circumstances, yet inside are full of doubts and fears.

Harmonious Moon/ Saturn aspects usually indicate a serious outlook and a practical approach to things. This, combined with the determination to finish everything they start (due to a highly developed sense of responsibility), can take them far in society. But emotionally they have problems; children with these (and other) Moon / Saturn aspects are never really young and playful. They frequently form friendships with older boys and girls.

People with harmonious Moon / Saturn aspects can often be very constructive within an existing framework. The Moon and Saturn are always the two main form-givers: the Moon of formed content and Saturn of the structure and backbone of external form. When something has to be enlarged, structurally improved and preserved, those with harmonious Moon / Saturn aspects are in their element. They are not required to display initiative, which we would have to look for in other chart factors anyway.

Moon trine or sextile Saturn: These aspects are frequently of a basic character, influencing the fundamentals of the native's temperament. Provided that the chart as a whole is of a good type, the nature is deepened and rendered capable of serious and responsible work, with excellent powers of organizing and controlling and a marked degree of personal dignity - that may sometimes destroy the sense of humor when the native's self-respect appears to be in jeopardy. There is often a large amount of matter-of-factness and a practical and limited outlook on life. Duty plays a large part in the motives, and obligations are performed carefully and exactly. The contact is scarcely democratic in its influence, and there is an inclination to like people in their proper places. Similarly, the mental and emotional aspects of the life are organized and arranged. The emotions are usually steady, with some tendency to depression.

There is usually affection and well-merited respect for the mother, but unless both bodies are well-placed she is liable to die early or suffer misfortunes. It seems to lessen the number of children and sometimes cause them to be a heavy responsibility.

It is favorable for business life and for practical work that calls for care and prudence rather than energy or originality - which is often defective. It is good for work in connection with houses or land, and any sort of caretaking or management where conscientious work is called for, but it is not so good where affection is required, as in care for the young.

It is distinctly good for worldly success, or, perhaps one should rather say, for the retention and proper use of success, if the rest of the chart permits of its attainment. Sometimes rank and position result from family connections or are inherited - there is often a sort of relation between family and position, or the native assumes a place as a successor to someone else, but does not create it. For example, a professor who occupies a seat that has been vacated by his predecessor, a minister of state, the president of a society, or the editor of an established paper. Thus the position is usually one of a successive line, and the native inherits some kind of tradition. If the chart is strong, the native develops and improves his office and maintains the tradition with success and dignity, but even when the two bodies are technically in good aspect, other flaws in the horoscope may lead to downfall and the characteristics of the inharmonious contacts.

Generally this combination preserves the health by influencing the native to be prudent and regular in habits, and it is particularly good in old age. But it does not confer robust health.

Moon trine or sextile Saturn Woman: Women with Moon / Saturn aspects have difficulty in expressing femininity, even when the aspect is harmonious. This can increase emotional insecurity and / or make them behave in a forceful, mannish way, or else in a motherly, organizing way. They find emotional fulfillment by being in charge; although, even with a harmonious aspect, loved ones are kept at arm's length to some extent.

Moon trine or sextile Saturn Man: Men with one of these aspects tend to be attracted by women of the Saturnine type; that is to say, they prefer partners who are rather older and more mature - certainly not women who are sprightly and playful.

Moon trine Saturn: Robert Anton Wilson 0, Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis 1, Babe Ruth 1, Bram 1, Elijah 1, JudyPl 1, Robert 1, Alex Jones 2, Nicole Kidman 2, Barack Obama 2, James Taylor 2, Arine 2, Erin 2, PapayaJ 2, Sally Field 3, Ludwig van Beethoven 3, Andrew 3, Medwick 3, Warren Beatty 4, L.Ron Hubbard 4, Kyle 4, Tara 4, Prince Charles 5, Mitt Romney 5, DonW 5, Joy 5, AndySc 6, Bobbie 6, GaryCl 6, JT 6


Moon quincunx Saturn

The inconjunct between your Moon and Saturn indicates an undercurrent of guilt in your emotional reactions to people. You seem uneasy until you can find some way to demonstrate that you sincerely care for them. In a sense this negative reaction is an admission that you don't feel worthy of them. It would seem that in your early conditioning your parents made you feel inferior to them. As an adult, you can change this. What you truly owe is the obligation to yourself to get rid of the burden of submission to others. Don't let others intimidate you by questioning your emotions toward them. At the same time, feel free to question their feeling for you.

Feeling inferior to others will interfere with your goals in life. Establish priorities concerning the matters that relate to others and those that pertain to yourself. Give attention to your own needs before you even think about doing anything for others. You'll find that they will find a way to take care of their problems. Don't be an emotional patsy for persons who will brutalize you emotionally with their guilt and incompetence.

Once you gain a proper perspective on the limits of your obligations, you can plan your future. You may find social service attractive, or education, politics or medicine. Whichever field you choose, you will bring resources and potential growth that will enable you to accomplish your objectives. You are suited to work as a specialist; you have a good memory, you are responsible, and when your efforts are rewarded you try even harder. If you should decide to go into education, consider research sciences as a platform for your talents. Your attention to detail lends itself well to the precision required in such areas.

Your romantic life may get off to a slow start, and its subsequent development depends entirely on whether you can reverse your inclination to let others walk all over you and take you for granted. You should know how capable you are, and, if you capitalize on your assets, others will notice you as a private person, secure and proud in your accomplishments.

You will expect your partner to need you in ways that only you can satisfy. It is essential that there be mutual respect for the individual differences between you and a willingness to serve each other when necessary. Under no circumstances should you accept an arrangement that would obscure one partner while furthering the desires of the other. This kind of burden would grow unbearably heavy and eventually undermine the relationship.

Moon quincunx Saturn: When the search for security (Moon) is linked by an inconjunct with the sensitive area formed by Saturn, the native will time and again be assailed by extreme uncertainty when looking for certainty, yet without knowing the underlying reason. He or she has the impression that something is hanging over his or her head, or that he / she is unable to achieve something, or else is plagued by all sorts of guilt and anxiety feelings that seem to emerge from nowhere. Whatever the case, whenever this person is on the point of finding a safe niche, a feeling of uneasiness arises, and this serves to intensify a need for emotional security - a need that can express itself in countless ways.

One extreme occurs when he or she keeps slaving away for others so that they will give rewards of support and approval. But this no more removes the sense of insecurity than does the other extreme, when the person is cold and withdrawn for fear that exposure to possible adverse conditions might rock his or her shaky foundation.

Characteristics such as sobriety and industry and the like are also found in the inconjunct; these offset the difficulty of emotional expression. And when this person learns that emotion and anxiety need not go hand in hand, the conviction can grow that restraint and security are not really inimical to one another. When he or she realizes that he / she possesses a soundly based inner security, he or she is then in fine position to help others who are emotionally vulnerable to overcome their problems.

Moon quincunx Saturn: The Moon represents our emotional reaction to life; it symbolizes how the mother teaches us to respond when we are young. Saturn represents the effect of the father on the mother and his effect on our ability to express emotions. When the quincunx aspect appears, it indicates a strain that eventually takes its toll on health, although symptoms rarely show up before the age of forty. The energy needs to be worked into consciousness, for the quincunx is the kind of aspect that more frequently plays itself out like a small toothache - it isn't important enough to take to the dentist immediately.

The sign qualities of the Moon and Saturn need to be worked into a relationship that allows them both to express. Saturn says 'I lack'; the Moon says 'I feel'. The dilemma may not be noticed by others since it involves internal tension. Often, the symbolism of astrology can bring the tension to the attention of its owner so it can be worked out.

Moon quincunx Saturn: Willie Nelson 0, Ellen 0, Cathy O’Brien 1, Susanna Arundhati Roy 1, ChrisTr 1, ScottS 1, Hillary Rodham Clinton 2, Pablo Picasso 2, Donald Trump 2, Dheeraj 2, Lori 2, Pankaj 2, Ammachi 3


Moon opposite Saturn

It is probable that the restrictions and limitations which you encounter are mainly derived from other people or environmental pressures, and that relationship difficulties will occur.

Childhood experiences and parental or social conditioning will have greatly affected you; and your attitudes and worldview are likely to have been molded by duty, obligation, and responsibility. You see their requirements as necessary for the socially mature individual, but, instead of gradually developing as a result of real maturation, these have been imposed on you, probably during childhood before you were able to properly integrate them. Parental pressure or environmental circumstances may have forced you to 'act grown up' before you were ready, having to conform to these demands. You may have reacted against the discipline of restraining attitudes and imposed rigid behavior, and may have seen your parents as lacking love or understanding for you.

Life presents a vista of duty and obligation; it is viewed as a serious affair in which 'doing the right thing' becomes important, even if this means ignoring your feelings, instincts, and emotions... or so it seems to you. One result could have been a controlling of childhood feelings, exuberance, and enthusiasm, of not being allowed time for childish play and 'silliness', acting out imaginative fantasies, or refusing to conform.

By adult life, this may have consequences of moodiness, bleak depressions, and negativity. You may display emotional inflexibility, endure phases of stagnation, and have fears of people, experiences, and situations. If this occurs, it is symptomatic of unconscious emotional repression, which now influences your everyday consciousness and reality through interference. Sensing this repression, others may avoid closeness with you, as they sense that your social stiffness inhibits relationships; as your vibration is that of a loner, they may feel uncomfortable.

Negative attitudes can become restrictive and limiting; opportunities can be lost through refusing to take chances, or relationships denied through social unease or fear of emotional intimacy. If you can redirect your attitudes in a more positive and constructive direction, things will open up; making such a shift is likely to prove difficult, yet, if achieved, will be highly rewarding.

Clarifying your life direction is important, enabling energies to be targeted at achieving specific personal aims. While the 'duty and obligation' program dominates you, there can be antagonism toward authority figures such as employers or managers, especially if they provoke your feelings or wound your sensitivity. If you chose not to become self-employed, then work related to medicine, research, social welfare, community service, law, or government may attract.

Relationships can prove problematic. You find difficulty letting down your emotional drawbridge to others, and struggle to express feelings. Sometimes embryonic relationships are destroyed by your allowing previous relationship experiences to interfere, by prejudging people according to past disillusionments. Emotions are protected; and this can prevent intimacy from developing. Older partners may attract, as may those who display a maturity which you believe you lack.

Be careful of becoming dependent on others. It may be inevitable that you fall in love with someone who displays affection but not love for you. This leaves you emotionally vulnerable; and powerful but painful feelings are encountered. Such experiences could prove uncomfortable and traumatic, yet releasing emotions is the healthiest action. If a relationship develops, then you may become less defensive, and your hidden potential may unfold with a loving partner.

Children may help to open you, providing a relationship into which you can pour love, helping you to feel at ease with displaying feelings in a less threatening context. You may find that family obligations create limitations, due to financial constraints and parenting responsibilities. A balanced approach to fulfilling responsibilities in a more relaxed, emotionally responsive manner is required; and much depends on transforming attitudes and feelings. If this is achieved, limitations will progressively dissolve as emotional stress is released, and a new feeling of liberation grows. With emotional freedom comes the dismantling of those inner barriers which have prohibited creativity and imagination; and taking these steps may reveal previously unexplored and unrecognized talents and abilities.

Moon opposite Saturn: Your Moon opposition Saturn confers depth of understanding, but it also indicates periods of considerable pessimism and depression. These periods develop because of your emotional reactions - you are inclined to be apprehensive and fearful about people and events. You take life seriously, and no event or relationship is ever casual or superficial. In your early formative years, you were strongly conditioned to accept duty and responsibility as an essential part of growing up. However, you found it difficult to accept such pressure, and your emotional sensitivity made you assume that perhaps you were not loved or were being rejected.

You relate better to older people, and even in youth you associated more easily with adults than with those your own age. This may have caused you some loneliness, especially if older groups would not accept you because of your age. It would not be surprising if you had become a loner.

Your professional opportunities may be limited unless you can become more optimistic. Although you accept duty, it is never without some bitter reminder of the parental influences of your childhood. You tend to project this bitterness in your relations with your superiors, so that getting along with them may be a problem. You will function better if you can be self-employed or can at least exercise self-determination in performing tasks. It is important that you establish your own goals and construct a plan of action to realize them.

You could find expression in medicine (especially geriatrics), human research, welfare programs, education, law, hotel and restaurant management, or government service. Learn your craft well, and don't belittle those who can teach you what you need to know. Keep your feelings anchored in professional activities.

If you are still influenced by your early conditioning, you will choose a mate who is an extension of one of your parents. You will probably seek a person who is strong in character, self-disciplined, and demanding. But you would derive more emotional satisfaction from a relationship with someone who can compensate for the austerity of your parents. If you have successfully modified your attitude toward people so that you aren't on the defensive, you would enjoy having a liberal-minded mate who could help you exploit your potentials to their fullest.

Whichever sort of mate you choose, it is unlikely that your own family environment will be a replay of your childhood. You will want greater flexibility for your children to enable them to become secure, independent adults.

Avoid eating cold lunches, if you can, and use salt in moderation. Frequent rest is advised, and try to get away occasionally from the pressure of everyday routine. Digestion may be a problem if you allow tension to build up, especially from emotional stress.

Moon square or opposite Saturn: Self-control is considerable with these aspects, also the capacity for hard work, self-discipline and level-headedness. People with conflicts between the Moon and Saturn can be very creative in fashioning things. Their inferiority feelings, and their fears that what they make will never be perfect, are likely to haunt them to some extent; but they can produce first-class work once they set their minds to it. Although these are active aspects (which the tense aspects always are),

Saturn can be so inhibitive that either the natives' activities are paralyzed at the very beginning or they avoid spreading their interests. Given their sensitivity, they cannot afford to risk making too many mistakes. Shyness is common in these aspects, while the persistent search for some ideal form in which to express themselves makes them initially impractical and inefficient: owing to uncertainty they try their hand at all sorts of things when they are young, being unable to settle down anywhere. Dread of the unknown can keep them static and clinging to pet ideas; therefore they strike others as hard and unbending.

However, once these people have made the effort to break out of their hard shells they will be all the tougher for the experience, well equipped to patiently withstand the adversities life may bring, and they will work successfully under the most trying circumstances. For durability and staying power are Saturn's good side, which falls within their reach once we have come to terms with it.

Moon square or opposite Saturn: The inner side of these contacts is usually inefficiency, the native being a bad leader and organizer, without set purpose or policy, often not intelligent and confused in his methods, giving himself and others unnecessary trouble. He is careless and imprudent, weak and obstinate, cunning and silly; astute in details, but blind in main issues. Sometimes it causes laziness; sometimes energy without persistence. Depression and discontent are common. Shyness is common also.

With depression there is often a lack of real self-reliance, and the native may be a prey to fear and foreboding, and a feeling of general inadequacy in respect of his obligations and duties. He is apt sometimes to rely on the material supports of life rather than on character.

The entire feminine side of the nature is limited by this contact, and unless other aspects come to the assistance of the Moon, much unhappiness and emotional inhibition may occur. Even the good aspects of the Moon and Saturn sometimes tend to dourness and rigidity, and a dislike of, or inability to partake in, pleasures, particularly if Venus be weak.

On the circumstantial side, which will be the more evident in many cases, there is a dislike of hardship, particularly in early and in late life. The native may easily be misunderstood, and have to endure harshness, severity, and lack of emotional satisfaction.

The relations with the mother are rarely happy; she may be unfortunate, or may die young, be unhealthy, or be a burden to the native; or she may be dominating and stern in her attitude. The home is seldom imbued with a genial atmosphere such as a child needs.

In marriage these aspects tend to unions between persons of diverse ages; sometimes there are social differences and the parents either prevent marriage or urge unsatisfactory alliances based on Saturnian considerations of duty, advantage, and so forth. There are rarely many children.

A correspondent writes from personal experience: 'The main effect is frustration, or victory without pleasure, or unrewarded efforts, probably to teach the native selfless application to duty. The good side of this aspect seems to lie in helping to build inner strength, an ability to sense adversity before it comes, and patience to endure it when it arrives.'

The native may come into contact with violence and ill-health. The opposition seems very potent in this respect. Sometimes there is unpopularity, especially with women and with the masses; sometimes there is a rather senseless popularity that does not last.

Moon square or opposite Saturn: Tense aspects draw attention more strongly to vulnerable aspects of a personality. When people have the hard aspects, each time they look for comfort and safety (Moon), they are inevitably confronted with their weaknesses, fears, and uncertainties (Saturn). Emotional inhibitions and difficulties with emotional expression are quite common under these aspects. These people struggle with a sense of loneliness and often with an inferiority complex as well.

Anxiety and possibly mistrust will affect behavior. They take a rather gloomy view of everything, preferring to expect the worst because then the unexpected will always be an improvement; and, in fact, are particularly prone to do so where the emotional world (Moon) and the need for security are concerned.

Moon square or opposite Saturn Woman: For women, these are difficult aspects. Their femininity is not easy for them to handle. Even though many can create the impression of being superwomen, they lack inner composure. Another mode of expression is very mannish behavior. Saturn's hard aspects can lead to extremes.

Moon opposite Saturn: Jack Nicholson 1, Jen 1, Bruce Lee 2, Robert Redford 2, Cher 3, VinCar 3, Cheri 5, Mick 5, Raga 5, LaurieSw 6, JerryP 7, Carlos Castaneda 8, Tom Cruise 8, Supr 8

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